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People seem to be terribly harsh to Lilliana Vess so I feel I should offer an alternative view! I've found various good uses for her. I tend to use her first ability as another way to help Vulturous Zombie on its way to being gigantic. I agree with the view that her tutor ability is somewhat frustrating as you usually have to wait till your next draw for you card but a tutor is a tutor nonetheless and I'm not going to complain at a repeatable one! Yes, I know, her final ability is virtually never going to happen but I've made it happen once and it put a f***ing big smile on my face when it did! So don't be a tournament snob and berate her because she's not going to win you any top-prizes; she's fun and nasty in a casual environment and that's good enough for me!
Posted By:
Asinine-Ultimatum
(2/10/2009 9:49:33 AM)
Her +1 ability played alongside Liliana's Caress...
Posted By:
Kodanshi
(10/18/2010 1:45:53 PM)
I have to agree with Asinine-Ultimatum. (How funny it is to agree with someone who is "asinine".^_^)
A very decent first ability! I can't fathom why people seem to think that this is bad? Yes she does cost 5 to bring out . . . and 5cc for discard 1 card does suck (if that is the only thing that spell does) . . . but at that point in the game (in an aggressive format, or if your thing is discard) they don't have many cards in their hand . . . and a continual -1 to their hand is vicious when supported with other cards.
Her second ability is nice. A continual tutor effect!? (Yes it would be better as an instant, but isn't everything better as an instant?) Black tutors stuff. It's what it does. And her continual tutor can give you just what you need when you need it. (And isn't it really similar to Diabolic Tutor because you often don't play the card you tutor up that turn?)
Her last... (see all)
Posted By:
Queen_of_the_Fae
(2/12/2009 6:03:44 PM)
putting her to work with jace is perhaps the most powerful planeswalker combo out there... and if you use elspeth and her, well the end result is something men only dream of, the ability to bring the entire graveyard into play as one invincible mass!!!!!
Posted By:
BrimandVormay
(4/8/2009 11:03:41 AM)
Mana cost aside, build the counters to play her final ability and rope that in next turn by first playing Traumatize and your set.
Posted By:
SkinnyO
(2/11/2009 5:31:57 PM)
I'm not a massive fan of any of the planeswalkers, but I downright dislike the Villainess. I have literally not once seen her justify her mana cost or deck slot. In my experience she just doesn't work out in play as anything other than a not-tremendously-efficient tutor.
@ Asinine-Ultimatum: I do feel the need to point out that I'm not a tournament player, and in fact quit playing in tournaments over five years ago. I've only seen her final ability go off a handful of times in casual play, and even then, you really need either a deck dedicated to abusing the ability or to be playing in a large multiplayer game, otherwise it's still not as big a deal as it feels like it ought to be. Very few of the Planeswalkers actually make that much of a difference on the board in my experience, but if you can get their ultimate off, that's usually a huge deal. Liliana's has never really worked out in games I've played or watched. Be it a board sweeper, or the opponent having enough defenders... (see all)
Posted By:
stygimoloch
(2/15/2009 9:11:10 AM)
I love playing this card with Jace. Fetch lands, play Nicol Bolas :-)
Posted By:
psychguy
(6/3/2009 7:36:37 PM)
i love this card it fit right into my zombie deck and for what she does she is not that expensive with her and my souless one and nercromancers covent is the best
Posted By:
virus1213
(6/22/2009 9:30:07 AM)
I agree with stygimoloch- she's to expensive to play for her abilities, and they work better in theory than practice.
I'd say however, that if she were just 1 mana less, she'd be a lot better.
Posted By:
Smoked_Peasant
(1/1/2009 2:40:17 PM)
Incredible synergy with Jace Beleren. (That combo's gonna get me to Pro Tour!)
Posted By:
starkiller2
(11/14/2008 7:47:17 AM)