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The prices they charge for some cards is *** ridiculous.

Playset of Duress: $1
Playset of Thoughtseize: $159.96

Would you pay $158.96 so Duress can pick a creature and make you lose 2 life?
Posted By: Andromeiylochk (2/28/2012 3:07:36 PM)


A solid playable card with uses in every format. However, I strongly feel this should have been printed as an uncommon. The comparison this card draws is Duress which is a great common and was heavily played in its time. By printing this at the Rare level rarity, Wizards restricts the number of competitive decks that can successfully evolve due to budget constraints. All in all, it is doubtful that Wizards will ever print a strictly better of Thoughtseize so do what you can to attain a play set.
Posted By: INeverDidLikeType2 (2/27/2009 11:58:39 AM)


Hey, it's like Distress got the New Phyrexia treatment a few blocks early.
Posted By: DacenOctavio (8/29/2011 7:20:26 PM)


they had a golden opportunity in the new Mirrodin block to improve on this card and maybe even make it uncommon or something

Duroughtseize - B+(Black Phyrexian)


target opponent reveals their hand, choose a nonland card from it, they discard it

functionally the same, except they still lose 2 life if they paid 2 life for the phyrexian part and it gets countered
Posted By: El_Pared (12/17/2012 3:27:42 PM)


Why are so many people complaining about the cost of Thoughtseize? Sure, Thoughtseize isn't all that much stronger than its primary competition, but the cost of cards in Vintage has only a mild correlation with the power of the card in question. Consider the infamous Black Lotus. Is it worth thousands of dollars because putting one in your deck makes your deck thousands of times better than putting in a different card? Certainly not. You can proxy it anyway. It's very expensive because it's rare as hell. Instead you should be asking yourself three things to determine the cost of a Vintage candidate:

1) Is the card playable in Vintage?
2) How strong is the card in Vintage?
And, by far most importantly:
3) How rare is it?

So compare:
Inquisition of Kozilek
1) Is the card playable in Vintage?
- Yes
2) How strong is the card in Vintage?
- Not being able to nail Force of Will knocks off a couple of points, but it can ... (see all)
Posted By: DeaTh-ShiNoBi (6/25/2013 2:21:19 AM)


I'd say that this is the second best "discard' card, the first being Hymn to Tourach. (And third best being Duress) The problem with late-in-the-game discard cards is that your opponents are most likely Hellbent. Turn four specters will clear their hands, and then turn 5 and beyond they're Hellbent.
Posted By: Arachibutyrophobia (8/10/2009 7:42:20 PM)


That's not her ear...
Posted By: Daerien (10/7/2010 7:51:30 PM)


not bad... a major part of the pro circuit nowadays. Zoo/ faeries both run it.
Posted By: nubiop (1/17/2009 11:44:18 AM)


Rating: 5/5 (one of the best cards ever printed)

And now, my rant:

How is this card not broken?

The "drawback" is losing 2 life and it can only be a nonland card? Oh no.

The nonland part is typical in most discard cards anyway, so no big deal. But the loss of life?

To see just how insignificant of a drawback the loss of life is, let's pretend we switch that drawback with: "Any player may pay 2 life. If a player does, counter Thoughtseize"

Does anyone think:
a) The opponent would not gladly pay the 2 life?
b) This card would still cost over $30?
c) This card would ever see play?

That's right, it'd be another Dash Hopes.

Paying only 2 life for such a powerful ability on the first turn of the game is NOT a drawback, especially when it can deal with your opponents biggest threats on the first turn.

If they ever make a version similar to Thoughtseize that's meant not to be broken, the player playing it should pay 5 life or give the loss of ... (see all)
Posted By: AMart83 (7/18/2012 10:07:19 AM)


Combos with 2 life
Posted By: adrian.malacoda (7/2/2012 9:17:34 PM)


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It's good. That much should be obvious from the rating and the price tag. However, I still feel like this is in 2nd place for best 1-mana discard spell, just behind Cabal Therapy. Not going to enjoy seeing this in Standard for the next two years. 4.5/5
Posted By: Chilli_Axe (10/2/2013 4:00:57 AM)


not the storm crow, take the mind sculptor instead please...
Posted By: Bob111634 (9/13/2013 6:18:50 PM)


Reprinted in Theros (stating the obvious) hence the huge price dip in this. However it is unlikely it will dip further than $20 (at the best a $15 I'd guess), because it's the best discard in Modern, and the 2nd best discard in the whole game behind Hymn to Tourach. Inquisition of Kozilek is the "light" version of Thoughtseize. It's a very good card still, but lives in the shadow of its 'big brother'.
Posted By: Zefyrus (9/2/2013 5:08:29 PM)


So glad this is getting reprinted in Theros--I might actually be able to afford a playset now! Barring that, there's a good chance I can unwrap one on once it's released.
Posted By: Lord_Skoonie (8/31/2013 4:07:44 PM)


I think you're getting Vintage and Legacy mixed up. This is much more a Legacy card than a Vintage card. And a cards playability/popularity in Legacy, Modern, and Standard impact it's price much more than it's use in vintage. Of course, Vintage cards are usually expensive for collector's reasons.

As for the card, it's good. In competitive games against aggro decks, I almost always prefer Inquisition of Kozilek though. The fact your not losing life can actually really matter against an aggro deck. And for the most part, every card run by an aggro deck can be hit by Inquisition.

Of course, where this card really shines is against control and combo. Where in Legacy, control decks usually run relevant threats that Inquisition can't hit. Such as Big Daddy Jace, Force of Will, Batterskull, ect.

Despite all I've said in this post though, the truth is this card is 40+ USD for a reason. I... (see all)
Posted By: BongRipper420 (8/30/2013 1:26:58 PM)


Pretty much confirmed in Theros. Get ready for a fun two years of Standard.
Posted By: MostlyLost (8/30/2013 8:39:44 AM)


This is getting reprinted in Theros?!

Holy crap, that block is going to be pretty crazy.

Also lol at people saying this is a bad Duress. 2 life to be able to hit creatures? 2 life is nothing, and more options instantly make it better in my book.
Posted By: Zebra_Lord (8/30/2013 4:36:19 AM)


@BeatYouOnce: Because it's better than Duress? I don't know, seems obvious to me. 2 life is a small price to pay to take away a Geist of Saint Traft.
Posted By: Continue (8/26/2013 1:49:41 PM)


Why is this rated higher than Duress?
Posted By: BeatYouOnce (7/26/2013 3:18:07 PM)


I realized a potential reason to like this over Duress, despite my preference. This hitting any non-land helps you reduce sideboard against certain matchups, such as "oops." It's usually a bad duress, but occasionally it'll be more useful.

Inquisition is usually a better choice in legacy however; the the potential to fight *really* mean burn decks. When they can get you T4 easy, and you give them 3 damage off of this and a fetch, you may push it to T3 on accident.
Posted By: blurrymadness (7/22/2013 2:11:09 PM)


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