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"Black creatures tend to be over cost because of Dark Ritual."

You're going to have to provide some sort of evidence supporting this idea, otherwise I just don't buy it. Green and white get the most efficient creatures; it's in their share of the color pie. Because black has continued to get inefficient creatures long after Dark Ritual has left even extended, I think it's safe to say it's just a consequence of the color pie. If Dark Ritual was really the motivation for nerfing black, wouldn't they also have cut the efficiency of black non-creature cards, too?
Posted By: scumbling1 (6/1/2011 4:04:30 PM)


this won't change the CMC of the card, it will just add 1 black to the CC, the same way if you kicked a spell
Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder wouldn't put out extra thrulls from the kicker cost.

But Eppek is right, this wasn't a bad card in Fallen Empires because 4/4 creatures were a rarity, so just playing one made you a force to be reckoned with. Same mindset as Vizzerdrix.
Posted By: OpenSeasonNoobs (3/10/2010 8:03:08 PM)


Not horrible back in the day, but certainly not great either. The fact that it was a Thrull helped, as you could sacrifice it and take advantage of some Thrull shenanigans when you needed to get rid of it.

2/5 for retro flavor.
Posted By: Gaussgoat (1/25/2011 10:42:14 AM)


For 3B, this still makes some sense to me. You need to go into 2BB before I start expecting a (minor, not major; no power creep, please!) boon.
Posted By: SkyknightXi (5/13/2011 9:22:37 PM)


Decent back then. A 4/4 black creature for 3B was pretty solid. Sure, it wasn't a Juzam, but still, it could beat face. Obsolete by today's standards.
Posted By: Radagast (11/5/2011 9:42:59 AM)


In the day, I mean back in the day, you could rock the house with a Derelor in the 5 color green deck.
Posted By: themicronaut (6/17/2012 2:54:16 AM)


When Derelor was first printed, it was not regarded as crap. Many players were willing to accept the drawback of more expensive future black spells just to get out a cheap 4/4 body. Nowadays, we expect our 4/4's for 4 to have HELPFUL abilities, but this was not the case in Fallen Empires.
Posted By: Eppek_the_Goblin (8/26/2009 7:56:27 AM)


Back in the day this card was amazing, playing a multi-color deck, it's 1 B in the CC was nothing, but a 4/4 creature was huge as it wouldn't die from a single lightning bolt, and would require an opponent to use either dedicate a large amount of mana into fireball/disintegrate or use more than one card to kill it, since it couldn't be terrored. Only Swords to Plowshares would kill it, and at the time people didn't want to give opponent life
Posted By: Scottevil912 (6/5/2012 10:12:01 AM)


@hovercraft, even without dark ritual, black has always been efficient. erg raiders, juzam, stone throwing devils, hypnotic specter, order of the ebon hand, knights of stromgald, black knight, ihsan's shade, and nightmare were all being played during black's heyday - from the early years up til the banning of necropotence. i don't see how you can say that black creatures are overcosted in general unless you're talking about baron sengir.
Posted By: gasimakos1 (8/20/2012 12:14:03 PM)


Posted By: Zulp (10/24/2009 7:28:19 PM)


Gatherer works better in the Companion app!