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This is better mid-late game, while Duress is better earlygame.

However, duress can never get creatures, so it depends on what you're up against.

Of course thoughtseize beats them both
Posted By: mdakw576 (2/24/2010 1:01:18 AM)


Early game this sucks because you have no choice. And late game I'd rather play a mind shatter.
Posted By: majinara (2/1/2010 5:38:40 AM)


I'd say Duress is better. This only becomes effective when you have 4 or 5 Swamps and can see their whole hand and by that time it probably won't really be all that effective. Duress lets you see the whole hand for one even though you can't discard anything you want. Still a decent card but not anything overly powerful.
Posted By: CaptainNick (1/30/2010 12:00:01 AM)


Once you've got enough swamps to actually reveal their entire hand, you should really just use Mind Sludge instead...
Posted By: GrimjawxRULES (5/17/2011 4:38:26 AM)


Hyper Duress in mono-black. Or use both if it fits your deck, with Pithing Needle, and Thought Hemorrhage. Name everything you just saw then sit back and laugh.
Posted By: Khias (1/29/2010 11:48:37 PM)


In black-heavy EDH, this card seems great. Otherwise, it comes into it's own too late to be useful.
Posted By: sir_dwar (1/30/2010 9:28:42 AM)


This is nice in a monoblack, where you quickly get enough swamps to see the entire hand, possibly helped by a mind rot. You can remove your opponent's most dangerous monsters before they get into play, something duress cannot. Has helped me many times.
Posted By: Sironos (5/5/2010 11:44:50 AM)


This isn't bad. Best at 1-3 copies as you don't really want to use it before you get 3+ swamps in play. Depending on your opponents deck this could become active as early as turn 3. Pretty decent against control as well as playing this late game will let you discard their most important/threatening card. The real downside to this is you can only play it in mono-black and even then you need to limit yourself to mostly swamps.
Posted By: Ukot (10/5/2010 10:57:26 AM)


It only costs a B to cast, which is good. However, Blackmail does the job with 3 cards right from the beginning so unless you have more than three swamps you might as well use Blackmail instead of Mire's Toll.
Posted By: Cyberium (2/22/2011 10:12:09 AM)


Just raped Karn Liberated with this today. So what's this lark about Thoughtseize?
Posted By: Splizer (6/7/2011 7:08:46 AM)


Gatherer works better in the Companion app!