scythe of the wretched
I kill your creatures and then steal them, rinse and repeat
Posted By:
Thanos42
(5/24/2012 3:11:13 AM)
@Thanos42 - That wouldn't work...the scythe requires damage to be dealt; Vish doles out -1/-1 for each counter you remove (this doesn't deal damage).
Posted By:
Alsebra
(7/30/2012 8:59:20 AM)
The "removal-hate" general, lol. I "LOVE" being able to shuffle commanders in their owners' libraries, but can't do that with this guy. He'll just sac himself, and if the player's mana base is strong enough, they'll just bring him out again in a turn or two. Shoot, toss out a Debtor's Knell while you're at it and he'll return every turn if you can keep him in your graveyard, or will keep his tempo up 'cause you'll be able to sac the creatures you get and continue to pump him up. And since his abilities occur at instant speed without a tapping requirement, he can do this as quickly and as often as he's played.
I even tried devising how one could stop his abilities from activating, and I thought, "Well, Azorius Guildmage is the first thing that comes to mind." But if they've got any other creature with at least 2 power, they can sac THAT, add 2 counters to Vish Kal, then remove those, and simply kill the Guildmage before she can nullify his... (see all)
Posted By:
JohnnyDepth
(11/25/2012 6:43:21 AM)
Don't really understand why this card is B/W, all its abilities are black and the art and title of the card do nothing to indicate that he's anything other than a regular vampire. Also not worth 7 mana, I think. You should be able to remove the +1/+1 counters one by one, like with Deathbringer Thoctar.
Posted By:
Wulfsten
(12/11/2012 6:27:47 PM)
i was looking for something to make Righteousness and Hold the Line more usefull :)
Posted By:
Unseto
(3/6/2013 9:12:24 AM)
I sense some strong synergy between this guy and Sorin, Lord of Innistrad.
Token maker + sac outlet?
Check.
Stackable emblems that boost the power of your creatures which in turn puts more +1/+1 counters on Vish Kal?
Check.
Flexible removal options?
Check.
All this team needs is Teysa, Orzhov Scion and it's ready to start terrorizing Commander. Ghost Council of Orzhova and Obzedat, Ghost Council might want in too.
Posted By:
Manite
(3/13/2013 11:35:16 AM)
Karmic Guide + Reveillark = Total board wipe and an infinitely large Vish Kal...Swing for 9999999999999999 anyone? Add Requiem Angel to the equation and you've got infinite flying 1/1 spirit tokens! Oh what fun! He's also amazing against token decks... Ghave? I see you have some tokens ther.... DIE....
Great card, great artwork, great flavor... It's too bad he costs 7 mana, but he's a 5/5 flyer with lifelink with the ability to make himself bigger AND kill stuff at instant speed....so yeah I'm not complaining. Also you can't condemn him cuz he will just sac himself ;) Did I mention he looks like Wesker? Anyways such an underrated general....Hopefully they come out with a new version of this badass.
Posted By:
DawnofShadows
(5/4/2013 7:51:53 AM)
My playgroup has taken to calling him "Shades".
Posted By:
Mr.Wimples
(5/31/2013 9:57:48 AM)
@BongRipper
That's why he only has 1 white mana symbol in his cost, and 2 black symbols. He's more black than he is white. His white probably comes from his 'arbiter' title (a person who settles a dispute or has ultimate authority in a matter). He is kind of like a corrupt judge (his back story indicates so as well).
Check out this link for his back story: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/148
I use him as my EDH general in one of my strongest decks. Due to his low commitment to white, I run an almost mono-black style deck using things like cabal coffers and necropotence to fuel the deck. I use his lifelink as well as other sources to gain some of the life back that I spend on suicide black style draw cards. I get all the advantages of mono-black, but also get the power to destroy enchantments and artifacts easily.
Posted By:
SAUS3
(6/7/2013 10:06:26 AM)
Okay, I see a few people have said that he doesn't seem like a good commander, or a good card for that matter...
And I ask, are you noobs?
Sorry, that was rude, but seriously, Vish here is freakin' ridiculous. A 5/5 Lifelink, Flying itself is worth about five mana with a white and a black. now add his abilities...? Suddenly seven mana seems a little under-costed, really. He's a sac outlet, which lets you get around everything that exiles or sends to deck for creatures, and if you're playing black and white, you have TONS of recursion, so sacing something and having it come back in a turn or less isn't uncommon. That alone makes him awesome. And then you throw on an ability which gives him the possibility to destroying indestructible stuff?
And his abilities don't even cost mana! And activate at instant speed! As is, I personally think he's kinda broken, not that I mind, I love him as my B/W Samsara Commander.
Posted By:
Kamishini
(7/14/2013 4:58:27 AM)