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it is well balanced and shouldn't cost less than 8 but in a deck with no mana aceleration it can be dificult to get 8, if you actually can get this on the table, its definetly a finisher, i mean it fucks your opponent real good.
long story short: when you play this if you have at least 2 more creatures besides the token, then your opponent will most likely want to concede, too bad it aint standard legal anymore.
Posted By: Tobolococo (3/4/2010 4:09:49 PM)


No, the token is put into play before the other effects. Read the rulings--

5/1/2008 The parts of the spell happen in order. When determining how many black creatures and how many red creatures you control, keep in mind that you just put a creature into play that's black and red.

So at the very least you get a 5/5 token, force them to sacrifice a creature and a land. Then if you already have some creatures down...
Posted By: Elysiume (6/8/2009 11:42:18 AM)


As a competitive player I reered once I first saw this. I guess I have a closed mind when it comes to higher mana cost cards like this, and it took me two weeks of owning it until I actually read it.

This is a very powerful card. Edicts and mana nerf plus a Promise of Power type effect without the entwine to boot. It's a late game bomb that is done justice if you don't even have a single creature out when you play it. Try it, it's fun!
Posted By: runway (12/3/2008 12:02:30 PM)


I think I like this card even more than Cruel Ultimatum. Even if you cast it without a single creature, it will still give you a 5/5 Elemental token, sac one creature, and sac one land. If you manage to play this with several Black/Red creatures, it will devastate their field and rape their mana pool. Without a mana pool, having cards in hand doesn't really help the opponent anyway.
Posted By: Vinifera7 (7/14/2009 9:44:11 PM)


This card is insanely good: combine with a load of cheap red/black creatures on previous turns, and you just erased their field and mana.

and the best part is that this is a sacrifice, not a destroy effect. That means all those invunerable cards go too. And no regenerate effects! It even gets rid of progenitus!
Posted By: Twigster (6/10/2009 1:52:14 PM)


Really can be a devastating card...but wholly crap talk about expensive >_< Gotta be careful with 8 drops for accessibility issues alone.....
Posted By: bowlofgumbo (8/16/2009 3:22:59 PM)


As stated in other comments, this is a very powerful card, if it goes off. Sure, blue might try to counter it, but if it resolves, it can end the game right there.

This is amazing in a G/br ramp deck featuring Garruk and Fertile Ground; I once dropped a turn 5 Bogardan Hellkite into a turn 6 Din. So it's like... Hellkite blows their dudes up, then Din nukes their fatties and lands.
Posted By: Danjen (9/5/2009 2:23:47 PM)


This card is insane, even if they have progenitus you can force them to sacrifice it, and wipe their mana at the same time or at least set them back a bit. The token itself automatically gives you at least a sacrifice and a land destruction against your opponent. Now, what happens if your playing a token deck? Or even better using a lot of hybrid mana creatures so you have a lot of red and black splash. You annihalate there entire creature base and most of their mana in one turn and you get a 5/5 creature to smash them with to boot after they have nothing on the board. This is equivalent to an ultimatum card, even if it costs 1 more mana than cruel ultimatum, you can play this as early as turn 5 in a ramp deck, and thats devastating. You play bitter blossom on turn 1 or 2, ramp some mana and then drop this on turn 5.. you just killed all their creatures, got a 5/5 and set them back a land or two. I will be including one of these in my deck if it wasn't immediately obvious how go... (see all)
Posted By: Donovan_Fabian (10/2/2009 3:45:00 AM)


Had none of the Ultimatums been printed, this card would be the high costed finisher of choice in 5cc.
Posted By: Designer_Genes (9/23/2009 11:41:22 AM)


I would have given the elemental flying or tremple, or maybe even haste... but still a very good card, a good finisher if you have 2-3 other hybrid creatures in play.

Posted By: stormkeeper (12/3/2008 3:04:43 PM)


Gatherer works better in the Companion app!