Also see Thought Dissector for artifacts, though it doesn't have the goofy "old card" wording that allows the silly infinite mill.
Posted By:
Tanaka348
(12/4/2009 9:49:50 PM)
I liked stealing creatures and milling with this when it first came out...
Posted By:
bhunji42
(11/19/2009 7:59:52 PM)
She looks like Chell from Portal, so now my playgroup has begun to call this card GLaDOS.
Posted By:
shotoku64
(1/10/2012 4:44:43 PM)
I would re-word it to avoid the lame mill-tricks. Make it so it reveals the cards, not sends them to the grave, so LotV would be irrelevent.
Why though, wouldn't it cause a forced tie? X cards never hit the grave, neither does a creature, and it's not a may ability. I guess it makes sense that it'd stop, or you could cause an easy tie by making X more cards than they have currently, assuming no creatures are left in they're deck, but I find this card rediculous otherwise.
At least ban it in EDH, the only format I've seen it hit play in. Painter's Servent got the ban for the same reason.
Posted By:
Dr.Pingas
(11/12/2010 5:34:31 PM)
Fun when used to steal a creature, stupid when used in the "Gee, look, I win!" combo with Leyline of the Void. A great way to be sure you don't have any Commander opponents in the future.
Posted By:
Radagast
(12/1/2011 9:26:38 AM)
i thought it was broken in my deck using academy ruins and stealing every creature in my opponents deck
Posted By:
high_tide_niv
(7/24/2010 12:30:35 AM)
Wow, just wow. I started playing the game back in 1997 or so. this card was around, and played in my circle, but it wasn't a huge threat. if you were lucky you could walk away with a morphling or something.
Leyline of the void, just wow. this card went from totally useless to a combo win condition.
Posted By:
MANABURNWASGOOD
(5/22/2012 11:43:38 AM)
@xStrikerx: Wheel of Sun and Moon won't prevent anything, since the opponent has the option of which way to order the two replacement effects (since they're acting on their card). Eventually the opponent has to choose to let the milling finish, one card at a time.
Posted By:
C5r1a5z0y
(5/31/2012 8:51:00 PM)
@C5r1a5z0y Actually he's correct, Wheel of Sun and Moon is a replacement effect while the Helm of Obedience's effect is a trigger dependent on the card actually going to the graveyard. As Wheel is replacing that event before it ever happens, the Helm's trigger can never go off and as such the opponent's deck would cycle infinitely unless someone had enchantment destruction.
Posted By:
drp527
(7/10/2012 2:59:28 PM)
It's broken. 5/5
Posted By:
deep_shadow
(11/4/2012 7:51:13 PM)