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Ok let's be reasonable.

First of all, cascade does not work because you do not cast the second creature. it just enters the battlefield.

Secondly, let's take a look at the stats. 4/3 Haste for 4. None too shabby. there are better green creatures out there for less mana (Leatherback Baloth, for instance), but still it's playable. It also has it's HIGHLY situational ability, which can only activate if you CAST two creatures. good luck with having those cheap creatures in your hand.

Overall, an undercosted card in my opinion, but definitely not worth its Mythic Rare status. It really should have been rare. and $90 for a play set? really? I mean, the much more versatile Training Grounds is $4 a playset (pssst! buy them now before its too late!) So yeah. money better spent elsewhere.
Posted By: WhiteyMcFly (4/23/2010 4:53:43 PM)


Oh... man. I just realized.

Restoration Angel.
Posted By: HeartbreakerStudios (9/14/2012 1:57:30 AM)


Umm, Awakening Zone anyone? summoning tokens counts as casting a creature, and then you only need to cast one more. and when this hits extended i can see it going will with genesis chamber or, better yet, skeletal vampire.
Posted By: Killtech (4/28/2010 4:39:42 PM)


If you look at cascade's actual printing, it says play, which wouldn't trigger this. I know this because there are many times I wanted to counter a cascaded Thoctar. But Gatherer now says cast. So the question is, did wizards errata cascade to justify this thing's price tag?
Posted By: blindthrall (4/30/2010 12:47:31 PM)


I don't think anyone really understands how difficult this card is to actually use, in the sense that its usually only a 4/3 haster and nothing else. It's ability is conditional, and the cards you want to play to use it are a) of the same mana level and thus make you have to fill your deck with 4 drops, and b) in a set with tons of walls, still has exiling in standard (and lots of it in ext.), and c) comes in after you have probably played most of your creatures out of your hand in an aggro deck. You have to cast the creatures also rather than have them enter the battefield. Not including graveyard manipulation (bojuka bog/jund charm) and other such recent graveyard removal cards. The reality is you will not get ranger of eos with goblin bushwacker everytime, and even if you could, you need an odd splattering of mana to make it happen.

Vengevine is also completely done in by permafrost trap, causing the vengevine to not untap for 3 turns since its an instant, for 1 blue mana. O... (see all)
Posted By: Donovan_Fabian (6/18/2010 4:24:53 AM)


Those people that are saying that this card is weak and not worthy of it's Mythic Rare status are ignoramuses.

This card is a beast. Tried it with my Elven Deck and it kills fast. The elven (and mono green) decks' answer to those red-deck-wins type of builds.

This card is the centerpiece of a new super fast green mono combo I'm developing, and currently I'm 20-0 with this yet-to-be-perfected deck.

This card is cheap to cast and practical to use. Will work wonders for token and 1/1 creature relying decks.

This CARD is insane and truly deserves it's Mythic Rare Status!
Posted By: HPS (12/15/2010 4:34:18 PM)


He's powerful, no doubts there. He has no evasion.

He's the Green Demigod of Revenge, obviously, very epic to have lots of him in your grave, and 4 mana is quite the sweet spot, but...

I don't feel his set symbol is the right color. I don't like the color of his set symbol when I cast him. I feel like Mythics should always feel great to cast. Maybe I'm wrong. If he had Trample, I don't think he'd be very much more powerful than he is now, because the 'cast 2 creatures' ability is what drives so much of how he is played, his potential, just, everything...

Either have him be 4/5, or give him Trample, and I'd be quicker to think he's Mythic. Just Winning Games isn't enough to make a card Mythic, because almost all Tribal Lords are Rares, Lightning Bolt is common, and for sheer number there are probably more great Uncommons than any other rarity level in the game. I mean holding the cards to a Constructed Standard. Most Commons exist because they allow the Limited f... (see all)
Posted By: DarthParallax (1/31/2013 11:32:40 AM)


I am loving this. I would more uses for this than bloodghast. Great blocker and a 4/3 haste for 4 mana? It's epic, alongside with getting him back.
Posted By: Rhodestar1 (4/16/2010 2:07:05 AM)


Overrated, and at 25 bucks....there are dozens of cards I'd spend my money on before this.
Bloodghast is 10 times better.
Posted By: Robert_G (4/24/2010 2:18:11 PM)


Haste? HASTE? Where in green's color pie is there anything with haste? Apart from planer chaos color-shifting wirednes, haste should be in red and black, not green. I have no problem with the vine's regrowth ability but giving it haste is just wrong. Like, Giant Soilfugue wrong.
Posted By: dgregory (5/26/2010 2:32:11 PM)


Gatherer works better in the Companion app!