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The ruling says that you get to count the creature card itself in determining the bonus mana, but what if multiple creatures enter at the same time? For example (assuming you control no artifact creatures), when you play Master's Call, would you get

or

? Or if you play Howl of the Night Pack with 7 Forest on the table (and no other Wolves), do you get

or

(or some number in-between, like

)?

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Posted By: 26376 (6/19/2011 10:09:42 AM)

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Elephant Resurgence with this gets you n^n mana, where n is the number of players for

. It doesn't matter if the elephants come in as 0/0's, you'd still get the mana.

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Posted By: Dr_Pants (3/9/2012 11:23:35 AM)

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Ermagerd Terbal Kermbo's
4/5 Stars

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Posted By: Hunter06 (11/26/2012 2:43:12 PM)

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Infinite mana + Creatures with Sliver Queen

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Posted By: yousquiddinme (11/27/2012 9:20:49 AM)

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Aww man, this in my Red elemental deck leads to a well over 20 damage Banefire turn 5 or 6

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Posted By: TheManakinTransfer (8/23/2011 5:27:49 PM)

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@pryoMTG, Geometric series are exponential sometimes, this specific effect happens to be exponential. Geometric series and exponential functions are not mutually exclusive.

But for real though, this card is incredible. Definitely going in my Marath Deck.

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Posted By: Jova (11/18/2013 9:41:37 AM)

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With 5 white mana and 2 colorless, Increasing Devotion could create 15 tokens and leave 168 colorless mana in your mana pool to do something with. Personally, I vote for cycling a Decree of Justice or cracking a Genesis Wave.

EDIT: @pyroMTG: We know the math, you obviously don't know how cards interact with this one. With something that brings multiple creatures onto the battlefield at the same time (whether it be actual cards or tokens), the creatures all put triggers from Mana Echoes on the stack. As the abilities resolve, it checks the creature types to determine how much mana is added. By this point, all of the creatures are on the battlefield together and thusly count towards each others Mana Echoes ability. 5 soldier creatures entering an empty battlefield under your control puts 5 ME triggers on the stack, each adding 5 mana upon resolution (barring some removal) for a total of 25 mana.

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Posted By: SeaThief (11/28/2013 10:09:01 AM)

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Use with Endless Ranks of the Dead for 3N^2/4 mana?

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Posted By: Majinkajisan (12/17/2013 8:23:13 AM)

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Imagine chaining four Alliance of Arms in a 4 player game with a single echoes out.

Assume your mana pool starts at

, and that your opponents don't help.

Play first for

. Everyone is at 1 soldier, and you have

Play second for

. Everyone gets 3 more, 4 total, and you get 3*3+3*3*4=45 mana
Play third for 45 White

. Everyone gets 45 more, 49 total, and you get 45*48+45*3*49=8775 mana
Play fourth for 8775 White

. Everyone gets 8775 more, 8824 total, and you get 8775*8823+8775*3*8824 = 309,713,625 mana

If you are crazy enough, do the calc for 4 mana echoes.

Explanation of the math using the third iteration:
45*48: you get 45 creatures that trigger it for n-1, where 'n' is your number of creatures, since they won't count themselves, or 48.
45*3*49: 45 creatures times 3 players come in to trigger the echoes. you have 49 creatures, so they each trigger for 49.

Edit: oh gosh, just thought of Djinn Illuminatus.

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Posted By: kiseki (12/17/2013 12:14:37 PM)

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I'm Surprised no one mentioned Myr Matrix - Perfect if you want to stick to one colour (in this case red for the mana echos) and its indestructible so its harder to remove, fits in with the curve nicely to. You can get it out earlier if you play Cloudpost and Glimmerpost.

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Posted By: Quantumbiologist (12/29/2013 2:56:20 AM)

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