So... I have a question from the Commander angle. If you were using this card in an Omnath deck, could you tap the altar for two green and then not spend it on anything? If so, would it continue to sit in Omnath's pool continually like any old green mana would?
Posted By:
Yndrian
(3/16/2012 12:59:51 AM)
I think people are going to try this. They are probably gonna fail, but they´ll try it nevertheless
Posted By:
Mightyass
(1/29/2012 9:51:42 AM)
combos with flashback
Posted By:
yxbljab
(1/29/2012 6:43:58 PM)
majinara: You don't know much about Commander then. You can only play one Izzet Signet. The Signets are better, sure, but it goes like this:
1 color decks can not play signets
2 color decks can only play one signet
3 color decks can only play 3 signets
For one and two color decks, this is what we call 'functional redundancy'. So what if the Signets are better? You want to play the Signets AND this in a graveyard themed Commander deck. Trust me, you do. Even three color decks might want a fourth mana stone if they have enough synergies. Of course the signets are better, but would you seriously tell me that you would play ONLY Dismember for creature killing in a black Commander deck? Of course not. You play Doom Blade, Terror, Rend Flesh, and Victim of Night, even though some of those are inferior to Dismember.
The reason Tutors are even better in Commander than in normal games is the same reason this card has every reason to expect healthy appreciation from the Commander community.
Posted By:
DarthParallax
(1/27/2012 9:17:19 AM)
Commander review: this card sucks. Comes into play tapped and only works for very specific cards. Nah thanks, there is no reason to ever add it to any Commander deck. If it at least work for all spells you can cast from a graveyard, such as unearth or retrace or whatever. But like this? 0.5/5
Posted By:
majinara
(1/27/2012 12:10:35 AM)
The fact that it comes into play tapped is a bit of a handicap to the card’s benefit, but I suppose that if it didn’t come into play tapped it would definitely cross the line into the pretty powerful category (because you’d make-up for the casting cost by possibly using it as soon as it’s in play). Then again what is Wizards afraid of? There’s lots of ways to deal with artifacts and lots of ways to protect them; I would not have flinched much if this card cost 2 or 1 to play (for a "comes into play tapped card"). This card is obviously good for flashback themes while encouraging some versatility to the gameplay. Decks that can reduce artifact casting costs will help.
I’ll agree with the 2 ½ rating, but could see clever use of the card make this a tiny bit higher rated card, perhaps 3 stars? The artwork is cool without overstepping the line and trying to prove too much.
Posted By:
Chrs84
(4/9/2012 8:43:52 PM)
yup... coming into play tapped seriously hurts this card. i'm pretty sure there isn't even ANY (new) flashback cards whose flashback cost is 2 (or less), so what were they worried about?
Posted By:
ToAsTy42o
(10/1/2012 4:44:52 AM)
@toasty: Deadly Allure and Memory's Journey said hello, but they still suck.
@Yndrian: Hmmmm... Yes, I think. And congratulations on finding some sinergy with this.
About the card... It could be used in some convoluted flashback deck based on it and Faithless Looting which aims to win by flashbacking Increasing Devotion or something like that, maybe?
Posted By:
Lash_of_Dragonbreath
(4/19/2013 11:18:11 AM)
Hmmm... Ral Zarek could make this beefy in a flashback deck.
Posted By:
lorendorky
(7/20/2013 11:08:33 PM)
While I agree with DarthParallax about redundancy in EDH, majinara is correct in stating this card is just not very good. There are other, more viable, mana rocks to use in EDH regardless of color(s). The limitations on what you can use this mana for is far too resrictive, imo.
@Yndrian - yes, you can do that. you would just want to keep track of how much mana is "for flashback only".
2.5/5
Posted By:
Bbone37
(3/25/2014 11:28:29 AM)