I'll probably get shot down for this, but anyway Timetwister really is not as good as Time Spiral. While Time Spiral is twice as expensive to cast, this really isn't much of a drawback because the effects of this spell are more useful in the middle stages of the game than they are right out of the gate. Also, Time Spiral, at the very least, pays for itself. If you factor in a Tolarian Academy, Gaea's Cradle or any other land spitting out multiple mana, Time Spiral becomes a mana accelerator as well. So, you have better odds of being able to play other things after Time Spiral resolves.
Posted By:
AvatarOfHOE
(1/28/2011 5:21:52 PM)
While I agree that Timetwister is an amazing card, and incredibly powerful even on its own.....
I don't think it would be Power 9 IF IT WEREN'T that the rest of Blue is so good. Let me try to explain-
of course, in the context of the rest of the cards we know, it has been tried and tested and proved to be ZONKERS. Also, it is VERY DIFFICULT to imagine completely outside of the context of other cards, especially when thinking IN CONTEXT, its abundantly clear how super great this is.
But, lets think for a moment- compare Time Warp to Time Reversal. Time Reversal was charged only 2 more mana than this. Time Warp was charged almost triple the price of the original Time Walk. Time Warp is STILL great in just about ANY blue deck. Time Reversal? Did not stand the test of Time (pardon the pun) too well. This card is GREAT card, there is just no doubts there---
But a lot of what makes the Power 9 so GROSSLY OVERPOWERED is that, let us be frankly honest here- they are stupendously undercos... (see all)
Posted By:
DarthParallax
(3/6/2012 9:33:01 PM)
if only i were a milionare
Posted By:
ThaBishop
(6/17/2010 7:45:26 AM)
Anyone who thinks this is bad,
or in any way "unworthy" of the P9,
should give it a try in a deck with Time Walk and Ancestral Recall.
Once you've played either of those cards twice in one turn
(or, god forbid, *both* of them twice, which does happen sometimes),
your doubts will be gone.
I'll admit, I used to doubt this card as well,
but I got one for $50 over ten years ago,
and I haven't even *considered* trading or selling it.
Just think about it like this-
Blue is not a color rife with reclamation spells.
Like Feldon's Cane, this reclaims your *entire* graveyard,
*and* it lets you draw 7 cards,
giving you a *very* good chance of drawing a card you wanted back from the grave.
Yes, it does the same for your opponent,
but it does so during *your* turn-
if played right, they won't be able to use anything they've drawn until their turn,
which could be more than one turn away.
And if you packed Tormod's Crypt/a... (see all)
Posted By:
drpvfx
(10/7/2011 8:15:17 PM)
@Kirbster
Condescending much?
It's a good cardl A VERY good card. You have the potential to totally turn the game around. I just don't think it's Power Nine good. It's simply not in the same league as Black Lotus, the Moxen and certainly not in the same universe as Ancestral Recall.
Posted By:
AvatarofBro
(11/24/2011 12:27:18 PM)
I played this 3 times in an EDH game the other day, granted I totally forgot to tell the opponents to do the ability, but it was just a ton of fun using it three times! Snapcaster Mage & relearn
It's under-rated, but when compared to the other 2 blue cards in the 9 it's not as good as an extra turn or 3 cards
Posted By:
MANABURNWASGOOD
(5/21/2012 8:54:14 AM)
Recovering your graveyard isn't quite as awesomely impressive nowadays as it was back then. We had Feldon's Cane and, uh, Regrowth. Two decades later, we have an abundance of graveyard interaction cards, so many newer folks brush off the shuffle-in, read only the "draw seven" and equate this card to Wheel of Fortune.
A better comparison would be something like Wheel of Fortune + Yawgmoth's Will. In practice, this card almost equates to those two cards combined.
You see the same complaints on Regrowth comment threads. "Why is this considered a powerful card?!"
Posted By:
Salient
(5/28/2012 2:56:56 PM)
Back then, there was no 4 card limit.
Drop your hand full of moxen and timetwister, then do it over and over. Finish it with Time Walk. Then fireball when you untap your 20 moxen.
Yeah this is power 9, but only because the moxen and lotus were around.
Posted By:
TheWrathofShane
(2/11/2013 5:25:31 AM)
@Mode, there are more then 2 remakes of this. Diminishing Returns in Alliances is another, and there is probably more.
Posted By:
A3Kitsune
(2/17/2010 4:13:57 AM)
Who said this is the weakest of the Power 9!?
Posted By:
Duskdale_Wurm
(6/7/2010 5:57:45 PM)