Why wasn't this in Knights vs. Dragons?
Posted By:
ParadOxymoron
(4/2/2011 7:37:36 PM)
Not to mention Brooding Saurian says "nontoken" anyway, specifically to avoid these shenanigans before the M10 rules.
Posted By:
Tanaka348
(1/5/2010 5:55:18 PM)
But not anymore :(
Posted By:
Qazior
(8/19/2009 5:06:12 AM)
110.5a A token is both owned and controlled by the player under whose control it entered the battlefield.
@achilleselbow: It makes no difference at all that it's worded that way. The tokens are still entering the battlefield under the opponent's control and thus are owned by that opponent. It doesn't matter at all who puts them into play, just under whose control they enter.
That aside this card is awesome in an offensive red deck. Ritual him out on turn 2, swing, turn 3 volcanic fallout and swing again and your opponent will be down to 6 even if you did nothing on turn 1.
The downside, of course, is that after you cast this they spot removal it, attack you for 6 and you still need to spend that effort to get rid of the tokens your opponent essentially got for free with a Doomblade.
Posted By:
Exart
(4/26/2010 4:58:54 AM)
Arachibutyrophobia it doesn't work like that anymore. Who gets the token owns the token. Therefore Brooding Saurian's effect is useless as well.
Posted By:
ninjaboy05
(10/6/2009 10:39:17 PM)
You definitely DO own the tokens. Look at the wording: PUT the tokens into play UNDER TARGET OPPONENT'S CONTROL. "Put" is in the imperative mood, so the implied subject of the sentence is "You". So YOU put the tokens into play, which is why it has to specify that they're under an opponent's control. Otherwise it would say "target opponent puts three 2/2 knight tokens into play". See the difference?
Edit: yea, I've since checked the rules, and I saw that. I think that was a recent change though, during Ravnica I would've been correct.
I suppose you could always just run it with Hammerfist Giant.
Posted By:
achilleselbow
(4/30/2010 3:50:17 PM)
Demigod knows whats up.
Posted By:
NeoSin
(4/14/2010 12:36:22 PM)
Actually, it still works. Cuz Hunted Dragon is making the tokens, and you control Hunted Dragon, so you control the source that made the tokens, which means you have token ownership. It's like doing a Persuasion on a Verdant Force. You OWN the saprolings.
I prefer Brooding Saurian to Brand.
Posted By:
Arachibutyrophobia
(9/9/2009 8:32:39 AM)
Really outclassed by Thundermaw Hellkite. Same mana cost, one less P/T, but you get a good, relevant ETB ability instead of a huge drawback. Also, why are barely any hunteds balanced. It always seems like they are getting almost as much as you are, even though you are the one paying the mana and using the card. I like the idea, but they should lessen the drawback.
Posted By:
nunzioni
(7/6/2012 8:22:32 AM)
Even though the silly Brand combo no longer works, red also happens to be the home of Insurrection, Act of Treason, Grab the Reins, and Mark of Mutiny. All you need is a good sacrifice outlet to dispose of your stolen knights while beating face with the dragon.
Posted By:
Ideatog
(1/28/2011 3:13:55 AM)