@drpvfx: I'm not 100% sure about that. If Loyal Cathar dies the first time and Undying is granted (either via Mikaeus, the Unhallowed or Undying Evil), wouldn't it return transformed into Unhallowed Cathar with a +1/+1 counter, and hence NOT return if it were to die again?
Posted By:
Toquinha1977
(1/29/2012 4:38:40 PM)
Seems like a decent way to run humans against Mikaeus, the Unhallowed. Dies, becomes zombie, no longer dies!
Posted By:
Igooog
(1/28/2012 10:40:43 AM)
This was SO much more powerful than I expected at pre-release. I kind of forgot about the vigilance, but that's HUGE. Most opponents seemed reluctant to kill it off since it comes back, letting you do some early damage with it and still being able to block. Because it recycles, it's still good mid or even late game too because it lets you keep the pressure on.
Don't overlook this one in sealed or drafts. He's never a dead draw...no pun intended. ;-)
Posted By:
JRE47
(1/28/2012 8:27:50 PM)
@Toquinha1977 It'll work fine. You need to work the stack right, but it should work out.
As long as you put the undying effect on the stack before Loyal Cathar effect, the cathar will return to the field and transform, then undying will not have a target to revive and no +1/+1 counter would be added to Unhallowed Cathar. When the Unhallowed version dies, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed will bring back the original version with a +1/+1, which it comes back with it's own effect (not undying). The zombie form shouldn't ever get a +1/+1 counter.
Posted By:
Icilio
(1/29/2012 6:18:45 PM)
This guy plus Mikaeus, the Unhallowed does the following:
He dies; regardless of which order you put the triggers, since his own trigger doesn't come into effect until EoT undying will put him back on the battlefield as Loyal Cathar with a +1/+1 counter. If he doesn't die again, the return transformed trigger does nothing because the card is no longer in the gy. If he dies again but with the +1/+1 counter, he will return transformed as Unhallowed Cathar at the EoT, which at this point starts the cycle of immortality described.
At no point does this result in an Unhallowed Cathar with a +1/+1 counter, but it still alternates between a 3/3 Vigilance and 2/1 that can't block indefinitely.
Posted By:
Alluceanot
(2/2/2012 4:48:44 AM)
BEFORE ANYONE WASTES A TON OF TIME:
For a commander deck, this can only go in if the commander is both black and white! You're welcome!
Posted By:
Toes_of_Krosa
(9/8/2012 8:03:01 PM)
Surprised no one's mentioned Conjurer's Closet. Sure, it only recurs once per turn, but do you know what eats one human per turn? Archdemon of Greed. Let shenanigans commence!
Posted By:
Villainous1
(3/30/2013 4:51:10 AM)
@: Toquinha1977 Miakeaus only gives NON human creatures undying. The front face doesn't get undying and even if it did. If it returned under its own effect and not that of undying it wouldn't have a +1/+1 counter on it. You choose which effect to follow. However when it's a Zombie and dies the zombie side I think would come back from undying. So he still would die. He would just need to die 3 times. Or maybe undying wouldn't even work since only the front side is looked at in any other zone other than the battlefield. IE undying can't return the zombie side because when it hits the grave, it isn't the zombie. It's the human. But then again they are considered the same permemant. This might need a ruling. Too many technicalities.
Posted By:
PhoenixZephyrus
(3/5/2012 10:33:27 PM)
I call him Penumbra Cathar.
Posted By:
Paleopaladin
(4/18/2012 11:45:51 AM)
God I love this card. It's a triumph of top-down design. A simple idea, but executed to perfection. The art is solid, the card itself is good, and the flavor text is perfect.
I put this card in my Pauper Soldiers deck just because I loved it so much. It turns out it isn't too bad, as both versions get the bonuses from Veteran Swordsmith and Veteran Armorsmith.
Posted By:
SirZapdos
(6/22/2012 9:28:21 AM)