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Zombies suck in EDH. I said it.
Posted By: ClockworkSwordfish (6/24/2011 10:01:48 PM)


I'm going to guess that the "hexproof" keywording was settled on long before "dies" was, and Commander was typeset in the middle.
Posted By: SkyknightXi (6/18/2011 1:33:43 PM)


@beefrocks I can haz respect now?
Posted By: SquirePath (1/13/2012 6:23:22 PM)


Combo with Reassembling Skeleton
Posted By: Zoroaster85 (1/3/2013 9:24:32 PM)


@greg2367 "Dies" is a new keyword that replaced the phrase "When this creature is put into the graveyard from the battlefield". effects will remain the same for all cards that have abilities that trigger with this phrase and stuff like that. Wizards just thought it would be easier. Tokens still trigger these effects also like Butcher's.
Posted By: Boakes2047 (7/10/2011 8:21:14 PM)


Vampires are undead, they can't truly die. Hmm...
Posted By: Kryptnyt (7/25/2011 12:45:44 PM)


@Squirepath: You win. Have a cookie.
@Greg: I take it you don't have anything better to do than posting exactly that same crap in every Commander card it applies to.
@ClockSwordfish: True, zombies as a tribe suck in EDH when you try to build a tribal deck on them. Their main problem is that they lack efficiently-costed fatties, IMO.
You could, however, build a deck with zombies instead. Zombies have excellent token production (Army of the Damned, Endless Ranks of the Dead), recursion (Unholy Grotto, Lord of the Undead) and bombs (Mikaeus the Unhallowed, Grimgrin, Corpse-Born). Just add try to use them instead of building around them.

Oh yeah, I'm supposed to talk about the Buthcer here. He's a beast, what else to say? Not quite Grave Pact, but of easier recursion and your opponent can't remove it without saccing something. Not... (see all)
Posted By: Lash_of_Dragonbreath (8/19/2012 9:39:59 AM)


Ironic, this is easier to cast than Grave Pact. I run 4 in Dragon Appeasement, and everyone in my,group loves playing the Eldrazi Spawn-laden gimmick deck.
Posted By: DacenOctavio (6/11/2012 1:06:00 PM)


@greg2367 1) "Dies" is a rather violent term; it indicates a presence of life that is no longer there. Magic didn't really want to be one of "those" games. It's just a game, so your cards can't actually "die."
2) "Dies" was actually adopted by Magic, after this card was printed. If can find one old card--just one--that uses "dies," "kills," or "killed" to refer to a creature going to the graveyard from battle or sending a creature to the graveyard from battle, you will have earned my lifelong respect.
3) Death is known as being a permanent state, whereas being "in a graveyard" is something that changes rapidly (It's my job to change it! Here I Rule). As the hag from Prince Caspian said, "Have you ever heard of a witch who truly died? There's always some way to bring them back...."
4) Creatures are "summoned," and then they have "summoning sickness." Then, eventually, they are "sacrificed" or "destroyed." After that, they are either "regenerated" or "put into the graveyard... (see all)
Posted By: beefrocks (11/12/2011 6:26:34 AM)



Alpha Sengir Vampire... but then again, vampires are pretty violent themselves I guess
Posted By: adrian.malacoda (3/31/2012 9:58:56 AM)


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