if you read the rulings, it basically says that 2 have no extra effect, because you will discard the entire hand and mill. it doesn't say that it doesn't count itself because it dose. if you would draw extra cards, you instead discard a card and draw, but you can't draw because it replaces its own draw with a discard, so if you don't get it, just read it; 'whenever a player draws a card outside of there first draw during their draw step, that player discards there hand and 1 card of the top of there library for each card they would have drawn.' this is because it says that it trigers for each card drawn, but you won't be able to discard any more because you have no cards in hand so you will mill. and achilleselbow, based on the oracle text it dosnt matter wether it is at randome or not because you discard EVERYTHING. of corce, i didn't read the printed text, but based on what every one is saying about the oracle being so diferent from printed and it is so expensive makes m... (see all)
Posted By:
bijart_dauth
(6/30/2010 10:12:58 AM)
Unsurprisingly, I am confused. The second sentence instructs you to draw a card. Will this additional draw cause Chains of Mephistopheles to trigger anew? If so, the process will repeat until your hand is empty. This entire card could be rewritten as:
"If a player would draw a card except the first one he or she draws in his or her draw step each turn, that player discards his or her hand and he or she places the top card of his or her library into his or her graveyard."
Further, specifying WHICH draw in a turn is exempt is less important than the fact you only get ONE card per turn.
"If a player would draw a card beyond his or her first each turn, he or she discards his or her hand and he or she places the top card of his or her library into their graveyard."
Remove the replacement effect and the card draw occurs. This eliminates the need for a mill effect, as the card would go to hand and then graveyard naturally.
"If a player draws a card beyond his... (see all)
Posted By:
sendai45
(8/23/2010 3:18:16 PM)
If you want to know what this does and does not do:
It DOES prevent any sort of card advantage by ensuring that hand sizes increase only by drawing one card during each players draw step.
It DOES NOT force you to discard your hand and mill one.
If you think that Chains triggers itself you are wrong. The replacement effect happens once. I mean, do you think really believe that a Cunning Sparkmage causes infinite damage when you have a Furnace of Rath out? The effect on Chains is wordy, but it is treated just the same. You replace the card draw ONCE.
It's almost like each draw is replaced with a {0} cycling ability on any card in the players hand. If they have no cards in hand, a draw is replaced by a mill.
Posted By:
altheuser
(9/27/2010 7:12:25 PM)
playing with tow on the feild cause them to activate each other so two and any spell that forse your opponet to draw wins
it even eliminates the eldrazi titan in the deak to mess up mill ing my cauing them to mill until they quit because you mill their hand and deck then the titan hit the graveyard and the graveyard is shuffled in to the deck but they still have to draw and it starts all over again and all long as you don't nd your turn it will continue to happen forever or at least until your opponet get bored and quits
Posted By:
ravenrider92
(11/3/2010 8:48:27 PM)
hmm....the hell with it. Throw the rules text, and only the rules text, into a Knowledge Pool. But keep the card as a permanent on the table.
To accomplish this, you have to use the most powerful combo that will ever be printed:
Richard Garfield, PhD+R&D's Secret Lair+Look at Me, I'm the DCI+Gleemax. (This still doesn't actually literally give you 'do whatever the fraking heck you want, apple' but it's close enough that if you have those cards out, you will probably get away with it.)
(R&D's Secret Lair doesn't autocard correctly- just copy/paste the name into the search bar and you'll find it.)
Posted By:
DarthParallax
(9/14/2011 7:29:17 PM)
Turns drawing into million or filtering. Pretty neat.
Posted By:
blurrymadness
(10/25/2011 1:12:10 PM)
Sincerely I don't understand its intention.
So if a player would draw a card instead he or she puts his of her library into his or her graveyard.
And then?
Posted By:
Guest1334148255
(9/19/2009 12:13:42 PM)
talk about lockdown. everyone's hand and library go into their graveyard but nobody gets decked - ever. best hope you can win with what youve already got.
Posted By:
BambooNickel
(10/5/2009 11:54:29 AM)
This is such hardcore win in a milling deck. Drop chains second turn, drop whatever third turn, pass with land drop on fourth and then cast a Wheel and Deal after their draw. They have to discard their hand, and then they just mil for seven and have no cards in hand. Same with Wheel of Fortune, Wheel of Fate, (though these ones will hit you too) and Barbed Shocker, and on and on. Too bad the card is $70s a single.
Posted By:
Ritius
(12/5/2009 6:38:31 PM)
Crazy and confusing card. Works wonders with Anvil of Bogardan.
Posted By:
limbrooke
(1/30/2010 1:01:44 PM)