@Annoyilator
The mana cost is a 'COST' of the spell. Cost is already paid when the spell is cast. It is too late to activate Icy Manipulator to tap opponent's land. (even though, it is not enforced anymore, technically we have to tap our lands to produce mana, and than cast the spell.)
Similarly, tapping the land is also COST of the land's ability. It has to be paid in order to produce mana. You cannot activate ability or cast spell in response to paying the cost.
For example, if I am casting reckless abandon, the additional cost 'sacrifice a creature' have to be paid when I cast it. Opponent cannot respond by destroying the creature that I am paying for reckless abandon, since it is already in the graveyard.
Posted By:
Hoonster
(4/10/2011 3:54:13 PM)
This with Gideon and Elspeth in my deck owns most of the time, i pretty much cast the 3 walkers then Armageddon to win
Posted By:
TattooedMessiah
(6/16/2011 9:15:26 AM)
Bye-bye Jace. Good riddance too.
Posted By:
The3rdEmpire
(6/30/2011 1:33:33 PM)
I don't see them putting 4 abilities on a PW again for a long time. And Jace 3.0 is not going to have his issue, no way. The new one needs back up.
Sure you can mill 10 a turn with no downside, but you also have to factor in that it will take at least 5 turns to mill a 60 deck that way, that's a turn 10 win. You need to have other milling cards. This Jace, his ultimate WINS. They have 2 cards in hand (which would be about average for the time it goes off)? Boom zero cards, 2 turn clock.
Posted By:
OmegaSerris
(7/7/2011 3:19:52 PM)
since most people probably couldn't understand hollindayz, i'm going to put my two cents in two cents in as to why this card is quite overrated.
first off, no card will ever, ever, ever win a game on it's own. here's some of the great cards i've come up against and what i played against it.
Doomgape ; Go For the Throat
Baneslayer Angel ; Dark Banishing
Wrath of God ; Debtor's Knell
Jace TMS ; Faith's Fetters
no card can ever win by itself. if jace doesn't have creatures or counters to protect him from attacks he's helpless. he has 5 loyalty by your opponent's next turn, more often than not, so all i have to do is do five damage. that's nothing for by green power deck or my red burn deck. easy pickings.
i've never lost a game to TMS, but i have lost to Hedron Crab, a much cheaper, still legal, much better card.
if his fir... (see all)
Posted By:
CrowJonSnow
(8/12/2011 10:04:19 PM)
Someone's obviously happy about his ban..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Xb0vwZrTM
Posted By:
Marsh-D-Teach
(8/16/2011 8:12:26 PM)
It really discredits a person as well as their lack of knowledge of/about this game when they rate this less than a 4. Even if you're not a fan of this card, it should be obvious that it is among the strongest and most versatile of cards ever printed...and certainly in the past ten years. Smh
Posted By:
supafly13
(10/23/2012 6:02:43 AM)
I'm sure it's not a 5/5 because of all the hate-raters. It deserves nothing less than a 5/5, unless you're rating it from a game design/balance perspective, in which cause it is quite poorly balanced.
Posted By:
Nagoragama
(3/7/2013 6:58:45 PM)
Ahh, my namesake. So wonderfully broken. He never should have seen print, but he did and the rest is history. A 5/5 in terms of playability, of course, but... so many people hate him. His current 4.1/5 average is pretty much justified.
Posted By:
Jace_the_Mind_Fcuker
(4/15/2013 9:18:07 PM)
If you get him out, you have probably won the game. Even if they then kill it, you've just gained an insane amount of card advantage.
It completely destroyed standard. Every deck at the pro tours ran 4 and it was something you had to have to play competitively. Everyone ran blue.
By the way, it appears to be a common misconception that you can bolt Jace as soon as he comes out and kill him. Your opponent would have the chance before you bolted him to activate an ability and if they activated the +2, the bolt would not kill Jace. The opponent has priority as soon as Jace enters the battlefield and you can only respond to the ability being used.
@thewrathofshane: You complain on loads of comments about how expensive cards are then you call for Urza block and other cards to be banned and don't care about the money that people have already spent on them. It's just the worst kind of hypocrisy. Of course Wizards doesn't want to ban cards - they don't want people to get upset. I support th... (see all)
Posted By:
Lifegainwithbite
(5/23/2013 1:17:50 AM)