Anyone who says "Mycoloth isn't as good as this guy cuz you need to sac a creature to get him going" Is missing something. Idek what, but theyre missing something. Khalni Garden. There ya go. Fists of Ironwood. There ya go. When you sacrifice OOONE creature loth gets twice as good as verdant force. when you run a token deck and sacrifice twelve to loth? Well then. you do the math.
Posted By:
TheSwarm
(11/1/2010 2:14:39 PM)
What I'm seeing here is an extremely watered-down Mycoloth for even more mana than the good version. With that comparison in mind, why is this a 4/5? The cost is far too high for that effect and rating, imo.
Posted By:
Kelrath
(12/18/2010 7:38:08 AM)
Verdant Force has the advantage for almost always granting you a single token, as often your opponent will need to untap to throw a removal spell at his face. The best fatties guarantee a return on the investment, even if they get killed, with having haste or "enters the battlefield" triggers. While Verdant Force doesn't technically have one of them (and the initial return is small), it comes close. Creatures tend to be better designed nowdays, but the Force was good enough for it's time to see play along side Natural Order.
Comparitively, Mycoloth is sheer garbage. Not only does it lack the ability to immediately refund some of the mana you sink into it, it requires additional risk to do anything of use. The trend towards better design does not apply in this case.
Posted By:
scumbling1
(5/30/2011 2:52:00 PM)
i prefer bringer of the green dawn, costs less and you 3/3s instead of 1/1s
Posted By:
GreatWulf
(3/8/2010 8:06:02 AM)
Plus, Bringer costs 9 and has less P/T. The alternate WUBRG cost is irrelevant. Why would you do 5 color token gen? This is strictly better in my book.
Posted By:
RafiqTheMiststalker
(4/19/2010 9:33:34 AM)
I agree with kelrath. In most respects this seems considerably worse then a mycoloth. I'd say the high rating this gets is more of a reflection on how incredibly good mycoloth is, rather then that this doesn't deserve as high a rating as it has gotten.
Posted By:
ddde
(7/30/2010 7:11:31 AM)
in grand melee, because multiple upkeeps happen at once, this dude becomes a beast.
just pray your neighbors dont have direct removal
Posted By:
darkfury
(10/10/2009 5:52:47 PM)
I made fun of this guy one time. Then an older, wiser player corrected me.
Posted By:
badmalloc
(8/30/2011 10:12:38 PM)
@scumbling: Sheer garbage, Mycoloth!? I think you might have missed the part where Mycoloth costs 3 mana less than this with the potential to become a shitload more powerful. Obviously any deck based around him will have expendable creatures to sacrifice to him.
I'd say Mycoloth is actually better than this. Though I guess they're really just different, also you must take into account this was printed far before Mycoloth.
Posted By:
Arachnos
(4/16/2012 9:29:40 PM)
I suppose you can get it out on turn 4 if you play Heartbeat of Spring or Overabundance but that depends on if you're willing to let your opponent have double mana, which is almost always a nono in my books. Overabundance has slight draw back for damage but if you're using your saprolings to fuel a Utopia Mycon for mana with a Manabarbs in play, players will be forced to adopt a conservative approach. Alternatively (and probably the better option) you can use Vernal Bloom since it only doubles the mana of all forests meaning you have lower chance of giving your opponent some advantage unless they're running monogreen as well. what else was there... as yes Dramatic Entrance. Use Elves to make most of these cards work a turn earlier and hey you have a turn 3-4 Verdant force.
Posted By:
Quantumbiologist
(2/10/2014 3:28:20 AM)