I don't really understand why they made a card so similar to hinder. Obviously every EDH deck with blue will run both. Shrug.
Posted By:
metalevolence
(6/16/2011 5:58:39 PM)
If you think this card is a problem, then don't use it. Tell your friends that it probably shouldn't be used if you don't think it's fun.
I don't think it's very fun, but it has to exist--generals are very powerful, and there does need to be a way to kill them a little more permanently, albeit they can still be recurred from the library (and shuffling the library makes you able to draw it as well.)
I don't like the idea that moving it from the library to the command zone should be an option. I think these cards are helping to keep the format healthy--players need to learn to not have to be reliant on their generals.
I just sigh and put my general at the bottom, then win since they spent 3 mana on a counterspell and can't counter my bomb. That being said, there should be several bombs in a deck, and your general shouldn't be your only win-con.
Spell Crumple isn't as bad as you're making it out to be, guys.
Posted By:
yousquiddinme
(11/26/2012 7:30:57 PM)
you can use it in commander but i know how to get your commander back, even worse get my commander back in commandzone the same turn as it whas counterd and get a 2/2 zombie to just use the ability of Cellar Door and then say "ok and i mill a.....oh gosh i mill my commmander i totaly did't expect that to happen"
Posted By:
Crackmore
(3/17/2012 8:31:24 AM)
I disagree that shuffling commanders into their library shouldn't be allowed. Some Commanders are so powerful or ruining the game so much, that it's the only possible way to still have fun.
Not to mention that I simply add a bunch of tutors in each deck to counter such effects. For example, just any of the Harbingers if the tribe fits (like Treefolk Harbinger if your commander is a treefolk), or Vedalken Æthermage if your Commander is a wizard, or whatever. Not to mention you can always add regular counterspells.
Posted By:
majinara
(3/24/2013 3:50:18 AM)
Actually people, I think it was meant to be a "nerfed" Hinder. IMO, with all the graveyard recursion going on in Commander, it's actually easier to return a card from your graveyard than it is to tutor it from your library. That being said, my Jhoira of the Ghitu EDH is happy to be able to run what is essentially a second copy of the same powerful spell. :D
Posted By:
TraitorIlKor
(6/18/2011 10:45:52 PM)
Mister Action plays how I play. +1,000,000 to him.
Posted By:
GraemeGunn
(6/20/2012 8:58:42 AM)
People here aren't noticing that they could Mystical Tutor for Distant Memories and get their General back. Hey, maybe even they will say no and you'll get your General back and draw three cards
Posted By:
Ruggley
(12/27/2012 7:03:37 PM)
I completely agree with Mister Action. Commander is a casual set. This isn't the type of card that should be printed in Commander- this is the type of card that should be banned in Commander. In a lot of ways, the EDH format is fundamentally different than 60 card magic- even multiplayer 60 card formats . A good game of EDH, played amongst friends, can go on for over an hour. Spell crumple is a three mana casting cost card that can force a person to sit at a table for a long time and watch their friends have fun. That's not good for the game- not good for that particular game and not good for Magic in general. Plus, there's enough tutors and recovery cards there that it would be really easy to build an EDH deck based around tutoring for spell crumple and recurring it. That's the type of crap that makes people quit playing MTG.
I'd like to see both Spell Crumple and Hinder banned from EDH for the good of the format.
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Posted By:
Gargantula
(4/7/2012 5:05:45 PM)
Great for putting generals back into librarys.
Posted By:
H4yd3n
(6/16/2011 5:14:31 PM)
Sometimes a commander is bad enough that a break from it is crucial. It is a fail safe for the Commander format. Yes, it is disappointing to not have your commander, but it adds suspense, tension, and variety. I think it would have been better though if it shuffled both libraries though.
Posted By:
Zulutw0
(2/19/2013 2:20:57 PM)